What’s Your Stance on Stance?

"way2blu does a rev update" (way2blu) 08/12/2020 at 15:40 • Filed to: Stance, stanced, Modification, oppopinions

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While searching for points for #TeamRevUpdate today, I found this JDM Toyota Aristo (#EnemyOfTheDriveThru) and realized I haven’t seen very many stance-themed cars here on Oppo.

I figure this is as good a time as any to have an open discussion on stanced cars & culture. I am sure many of you will have opinions, and I’m looking forward to hearing them. No judgments here, just genuinely curious to see the range of takes.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:44

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Stance 0/10 do not like.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:46

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Stupid. I understand that there is always a need for customization or purely aesthetic mods, but once they severely undermine the basic functionality of a car, they are dumb as hell.

lone_liberal > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:46

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Like most things that kids do ( and have done through the years)  to their cars, it’s dumb.

ClassicDatsunDebate > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:49

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Stance was a thing

Spaceball-Two > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:50

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I’m a big supporter of “it’s your car you do what you want” but I draw the line at blatant safety violations. If it’s tastefully done and can clear a speed bump then coolio. 

Just Jeepin' > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:53

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nerd_racing > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:55

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To me, when the modification decreases the usability of the vehicle to the point that you can get hung up on a small dip or bump in the road, it is not a worth while modification.

I equally dislike when wheels stick multiple inches outside the fenders of a pickup truck, without proper flares or mud flaps.  I’ve had them flick rocks at my cars multiple times.  One time, chipping the windshield. 

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 15:56

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On air? Absolutely

Static? No way

HammerheadFistpunch > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:00

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Stance is - the relationship of body fitment over wheels. In which case I approve of stance. I do not approve of idiots making a car barely legal or safe to use on the road through excessive camber, lowering tire stretching or wheel-well rubbing.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:00

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It’s fun and not as dangerous as people say. As long as you give yourself adequate stopping distance, don’t drive in heavy traffic, never go into turns very fast, or have to make evasive maneuvers (read that last one as “go slow all the time”) it’s no more dangerous than driving a “normal” car.

I didn’t “get it” until I drove one. I wouldn’t daily something like that, but just around town and for doing burnouts? Sure.

HammerheadFistpunch > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 08/12/2020 at 16:04

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Are you describing a registered motor vehicle? or motorized shopping cart?

If you can’t drive at the speed of traffic safely...your car is not a safe car to drive.

RallyWrench > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:06

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Depends on one’s definition of “stance”. Lowering a car creates a new stance, but I’ve always taken the definition “stanced” to mean a car intentionally made less functional in the name of appearance, through completely unreasonable camber and tire stretching. The magnanimous “at least they’re into cars” take only holds so much water when it’s straight up unsafe.

sony1492 > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:07

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Dep ends on how we define “ stanced”, going too far is usually bad for anything

Thes e 2 fall into the realm of No, too much camber, rims don’t fit, and stretched tires.

While still low these 2 look safe to drive and the wheels fit. These look good.

Generally I like cars that have a stance, but not stanced cars

RallyWrench > Just Jeepin' 08/12/2020 at 16:07

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See, this is ok. Just lowered, with safe camber and tire fitment .

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin' 08/12/2020 at 16:07

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I don’t mind that, but it would be better with sand paddles   

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:08

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I don’t care how you make your car look, it’s not for my eyes and you don’t need my approval . B ut elements of stance culture cause danger to other motorists and are therefore stupid and terrible by any standard :

1. Ride height s o low that the car bottoms out on normal roads, risking loss of control over road surface imperfections
2. Springs set so stiff that the car bounces excessively on normal roads, again risking loss of control
3. Wheels cambered so far that there is little to no useable tire contact patch. The sidewall is not a substitute for real tread, risking catastrophic loss of grip or sudden tire failure.

fintail > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:09

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If on air so it is driveable, it can be passable, although I’d never do it. But to each his own.

The hard-wired stuff though, often unable to take a turn with the flow of traffic, go over any type of road imperfection without bouncing and bottoming out (and often with a terrible sounding exhaust, stretched tires, camber that looks like a Hot Wheels that a heavier  person stepped on ), probably shouldn’t be on the road.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2020 at 16:10

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Right, they’re fine to drive when the speed of traffic is irrelevant. How is that different than saying bicycles shouldn’t be on the road because they can’t keep pace with cars?

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:10

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There’s some that I don’t mind the fitment. But if mimics the look of an obese adult stepped on a hot wheel, then nah.

HammerheadFistpunch > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 08/12/2020 at 16:11

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because a bicycle isn’t 3000 lbs and 5 feet wide.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Just Jeepin' 08/12/2020 at 16:12

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10/10 would drive.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2020 at 16:14

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But it does take up an entire lane of traffic. To me, riding a bike in rush hour traffic is no different than driving a stance car in traffic. Neither should be done, but both are fine to do when traffic is low and you’re in an environment where traffic is low- out in the country, multi-lane state routes, roads where passing is permissible, etc.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:19

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I sometimes like the look of them and appreciate the enthusiasm. That said I lament when a good or rare car is ruined this way and have a hard time swallowing the time and money that goes into making a car that much worse.

Textured Soy Protein > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:20

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My car is lowered and on wider-than-stock wheels and tires but I don’t consider this stanced. The stretched tires + excessive camber look is not one that appeals to me. It’s never been aesthetically pleasing to me and instead just looks like the car is broken, because it kinda is. 

HammerheadFistpunch > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 08/12/2020 at 16:21

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I think you are vastly misrepresenting the risks to others for both.

Darkbrador > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 08/12/2020 at 16:22

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Amateur ...

Tripper > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:45

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I have softened a lot on stance. Used to hate it, but now I hate brand new beige mobiles more than any other section of cars. People say my 02 is stanced but I don’t really know what indicates “stance” at this point. Most of the “stanceworks” cars look only to be lowered with big wheels.

If the paint is good and the wheels are sticking out too far, I’m in.

FSI > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 16:51

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My A3 is only dropped but I like lowered/stanced cars. Thankfully our German TÜV laws prevent unsafe heaps of shit. 

Derpwagon > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 17:10

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The ‘stance’ trend is fucking trash. 

kanadanmajava1 > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 17:11

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As l ow as possible is fine for me if only the tires are touching the ground. So I’m OK  with stanced things.  Here 80 mm of ground clearance is required.

MUSASHI66 > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 17:12

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Idiotic, dangerous, unsightly, and probably the worst trend in car culture in last few decades. 

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 17:15

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I like lowering and putting tilty wheels on a car but it has to be coz you wanna go fast. I do not like doing stance for the heck of it...

Cash Rewards > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/12/2020 at 18:10

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To be fair, I dragged frame on my Miata on the mildest of speed bumps recently, and I’m at a reasonable height for autocross and back roads. I bet a lot of cars on this blog, while not stanced, are various degrees of compromised.

Jb boin > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 18:16

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Saw a stanced Opel/Vauxhall Corsa D yesterday in Malta with excessive camber and stretched tires, it was also de-badged and if I recall correctly it was in matte gray.

Did not like it one bit !

It actually might be my first sighting of a really stanced car, a s it’s not much of a thing at home where it would not pass with the cops or the inspection.

I am okay with lowered cars as long as it looks sporty and not just like a spring has broken or that you put enough cinder blocks in your boot to make a whole house.

Excessive camber... n ope !

Kiltedpadre > Just Jeepin' 08/12/2020 at 18:19

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I’d actually like to find a cheap 2wd  Wrangler and turn it into a flat rod. Remove the flairs so it can be really slammed, chop the windshield, lower the seats, maybe add air ride, etc.

412GTI > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 19:44

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Stance is cool but obviously a bit silly when it goes too far. I appreciate the enthusiasm and craftsmanship people put into their rides. That doesn’t mean slapping on coilovers and basic rims but actually properly building a car.

A lot like to argue the dangers of modifying a car in such extreme manners but I’ll say (and obviously this is a very small sample size) you don’t hear many of these stanced cars causing accidents..compared to say your average Rouge driver.

I’d really like a big, low sedan but not my my hilly town/driveway

Urambo Tauro > way2blu does a rev update 08/12/2020 at 20:06

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“Stance” is a very broad term. Though often applied to what might be described as “hellafail”, every car has some kind of stance. Stock stances, lowered stances, lifted stances, stances with altered camber, etc. THere are so many different varieties.

I think it’s logical to say that when a car is “stanced”, that indicates that the car’s original stance has been modified in some way. And that can absolutely be an improvement! Lifted stances for better off-roading, lowered stances for better cornering... within reason, these can be very good mods. But if the mod is performed purely for aesthetics, and renders the car unable to handle a speedbump, or reduces the tire’s contact patch to near-undriveability, then nah I don’t support that. I don’t want to see that on the road, but hey at least I can still admire it as an “automotive-themed sculpture”! (I’m also pretty forgiving towards slammed cars IF they are equipped with airbags or hydraulics to restore the car to more roadworthy ride height at the touch of a button.)

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2020 at 22:28

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A car isn’t just going to flip over or veer into another lane just because it’s low. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Just Jeepin' 08/13/2020 at 00:59

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That's awful.

pip bip - choose Corrour > way2blu does a rev update 08/13/2020 at 03:38

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stance? yes!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > way2blu does a rev update 08/13/2020 at 08:34

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I like stance as an observer. But I’ve never really felt the need to do it to my own car. Mainly because I like in a rural area where it snows 5 months out of the year, at least. I’d I ever had a stanced car It would have to be like my 3rd or 4th car not something I intend to drive ever day.

In reality I’m more interested in raising my car lol 

RutRut > way2blu does a rev update 08/13/2020 at 11:16

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Love it! But I worked in the air industry. Currently daily drive a 2012 Camaro SS on air, extremely reasonable camber, and no stretch (20x9 w/ 255/35, 20x10.5 w/295/30). Comfortable on my long commute a couple days a week, looks killer aired out.

Jayvincent > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 08/16/2020 at 09:00

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You get my vote, both times! Stance is fine if you know your car’s limits and drive within them. Bicycles are not and should not share the road with motor vehicles unless they a) can keep up with the posted speed limit or b) have their own dedicated lane.